So, I've always thought you can't polish a turd, but maybe you can. I've been trying everything in my bag of tricks to make the cerec zirc look good. My go to has been gc paste, but to make these things look good and to have the occlusion not change I'm using jumbo milling offsets in my parameters, or I'm having to adjust the occlusion. I've tried combinations of the gc and emax stains in the speed fire, but the emax stains just don't look great coming out of that oven. I know it's supposed to end the world if we try to put anything off label in the oven, but the sun is still rising. This was my first shot at using a combination of emax stains with vita glaze in a short oven cycle. It's my typical empress technique or my go to for emax that is going to require more than one oven cycle. It's still not perfect, and the fact that I need a second oven cycle for staining is a bit annoying, but I think this one will be a winner when we get some nicer looking zirc options for the speed fire.